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in entitlement reform. medicare, medicaid, these are chief drivers of the deficit. there's other spending we have to cut. >> hold on a second. i think that we all know what the chief drivers of our deficit are and have been. our projected deficit has driven by the wars and the bush tax cuts. entitlement programs don't even compete with these costs. plouffe went on to pin the problem largely on republicans who are not flexible, but he also said this. >> where the big bottleneck is republicans in congress around revenue and how much and where does it come from, democrats are going to have to step up and do some tough things. and the notion that somehow that these deficits and our debt are not a threat to our national security on our economic future is something i cannot disagree with more strongly. there are some commentators on the left that suggest that. that we shouldn't deal with that at all. >> voices on the left are not saying the deficit is not a problem for our future. progressives understand we need to deal with our debt, but progressives don't want to see the burden of deficit reduction p
? fewer still want to be loved with all the deficit. lou: it's going to have to mean cutting the federal budget.the x >> even if we increase the taxr, rates, as you noted, the top 1%y in this country, 17% of the 37 income is what they make. they pay 7% 37% of the taxes.oug lou: give us your last thought here.ith the >> mr. president, please, please we work with the businessyou' putti community. we want you to succeed. but you are puttingy animpedims in a way to make it impossible. we want you to succeed. work with us. >> i don't expect the republicans to love our budget. compromise is hard. we are going to have to compromise. lou: no spending cuts, what is the deal? that is tonight's "chalk talk" people really love snapshot from progressive, but don't just listen to me. listen to these happy progressive customers. i plugged in snapshot, and 30 days later, i wasaving big on car insurance. with snapshot, i knew what i could save before i switched to progressive. the better i drive, the more i save. i wish our company had something this cool. you're not filming this, are you? aw! camera sh
, you are still going to be left with a huge hole called the deficit and it will have to mean cutting the federal budget. >> so, even if we increase the tax rates, as you noted, by the way, the top 1% in this country makes 17% of the income, and pay 37% of the taxes. i mean, so, the fair share argument really isn't -- >> up against a hard out here, and i'm going to ask you to give us your last thought here. >> mr. president, please, please, work with the business community. we want you to succeed. but, you are putting impediments in our way that make it impossible. we want you to succeed, we want to succeed. work with us. please work with us. >> andy puzder, thanks for being with us. european nations on the wrong side of the fiscal cliff but the president says america can steer clear. >> president barack obama: i believe it is solvable and my budget, frankly does it and i don't the republicans to adopt my budget, i recognize we have to compromise. compromise is hard. >> lou: more than a trillion-and-a-half dollars in tax hikes, no spenng cuts. tax hikes, no spenng cuts. what is the de
, don't worry as much about the deficit, the revenues will come in, and we have to get rid of the social safety net the way it's been, and cut spending, slash spending dramatically. it was very divided policywise and barack obama won pretty handily. >> a week after the election john boehner, speaker boehner, does a press statement and he says we're not going to raise revenues. we should look at loopholes and deductions. >> one thing that hasn't changed and you can put on as many senate republicans as you want looking reasonable. what hasn't changed is the tea party caucus in the house. they've lost a few members, but they're still a majority and john boehner has to find some way to get something past them. that's why i doubt there will be a christmastime deal. i think the president is going to have to let these tax cuts end and then boehner may have a chance of convincing them to pass tax cuts for the bottom 98% without the top 2%. >> do you agree with that, dr. peterson? that the president will be forced to allow these to run their course simply so that republicans in the house won't ha
, that is .5 percent of the deficit. we cannot get there, get the deficit down without significant cuts in spending. >>neil: the election has consequences and you could argue that a key premise of the president's re-election was i will raise taxes on the rich and he is likely entitled to that, he will likely see that but it is all the other things they are leveraging with democrats do not touch entitlements and putting everything on table it remind me of george bush sr. he agreed to reverse the pledge oh ride -- "read my lips, no new taxes." but the democrats never offered correspondenting spend cuts. we know what happened to him. what happens to those who agree do in the republican party? >>guest: the republican party has to stand for economic growth and it has to stand for the principle that keeping tax rates low and reforming the tax system is the way to grow the economy. i disagree slightly with rand paul. i am in favor of closing loopholes. i hate them. i call them termites in the tax system but we should use that money to credit a first-class world class tax system that stops expo
to hammer out a deal on the greek deficit. prime minister says they're cle. politicians are considering a debt forgiveness program but could see talso reaching agreement on a framework for the planned eurozone banking union. speaking to the ft, the eu internal markets commissioner said ministers must meet a december deadline in order to placate financial markets. and this as in spain voters in cat take loan i can't giving a victory to the separatist party, but the region's president lost ground. so what does it mean for the push for independence and the deficit reduction plans? julia is in barcelona for us. what does it all mean? >> it's being seen as broadly positive because it weekens his push for independence in the region right now. but the overriding message is that two thirds of the people that voted here voted for pro nationalist or separationist parties here. and this is a sentiment that's been growing over a number of years. and the president has to try to align himselves with other parties bearing two key facts, where does he take the push for a referendum, how does that influ
cut the budget, if we cut the deficit and raise taxes, i don't think that's the worst thing in the world. as warren buffett has been saying for the last 24 hours, are you really going to turn down a good investment opportunity just because the tax rates are a little higher in we're talking about a minor 4 percentage point increase in the upper end of the tax rate here. it's not life or death. you know, cutting the deficit and raising taxes, if they can't agree, which congress has shown themselves inability to agree. if they're not going to agree, maybe it's not the worst thing in the world for tax rates to go up and for the deficit to be cut. i think that could result in a big economic boom. >> wow. >> and then, let's say two weeks after we go over the cliff, after the 1st of january, they then cut attacks for everybody -- >> but here's the problem with that notion. it's not fine. but, john, it's not fine because a lot of ordinary middle class people -- >> that's the problem. >> -- are trying to spend money at christmas and they're deeply anxious about what's going to happen
it will reduce the deficit. not because it's good for the economy. he has a totally noneconomic reason for it and he's serious, we'll tell you what it is next. >> new at 10, warren buffett who has been begging the government to raise taxes on rich people like himself, well, instead of writing a check, he says, we should tax the rich because it will, quote, raise thh morale in the middle glass. he's serious. and all raising taxes on the wealthy may do, the big story of the day, president obama's campaign, holding more meetings on the fiscal cliff instead of real talks with politicians who have to decide this thing. and going on the road and selling the campaign harry reid says no cuts, democrats have cut spending and entitlements already. >> remember, we've already done more and billion dollars worth of cuts and we've already done that and we need to get credit for at that and these negotiations that take place. >> and the president's position, no more cuts, we're talking about it all with this company. sandra smith is here, and charles payne and as always on the floor of the new york
approach to reducing the nation's deficit. let's bring in our panel. mary katharine ham editor-at-large of hot air.com and fox news contributor. peter mirijanian former advisor to the clinton-gore and gore-lieberman campaigns. when the president arrives at the white house to speak, he will have people behind him, ordinary americans who reached out to the white house and want their $2,000 middle class tax cut preserved. republicans are saying this is essentially a campaign stunt, a campaign appearance kind of event of the he won the election. he should get on the business of governing. what do you say? >> well, one quick observation, jon. i think what you're seeing, what i think is interesting the first social media presidency. this administration using technology and using social media to advance their agenda. but look, all presidents do this. george w. bush after his re-election famously said he has now the political capital he intend to use. so going to the public and going sort of over the head of congress is something democratic and republican presidents always do what they
it and they are very, very, very loathed to break it. and that's made it impossible to reach a deficit reduction deal, until now. "the new york times" has an article in which republican after republican after republican goes on the record by name dismissing his pledge and his power. peter king says a pledge is good at the time you sign it. in 1941 i would have voted to declare war on japan. but each congress is a new congress and you can't have a rule that you're never going to raise or lower taxes. i don't want to rule anything out. senator of georgia said, i'm frankly not concerned about the norquist pledge. senator john mccain said fewer and fewer people are signing this "pledge." it's actually a pledge, but any way. senator coburn called it "a tortured vision of tax purity." and it did you want end there in that article. bill crystal said this. >> let's have a serious debate. don't scream and yell when one person says, it won't kill the country if we raise taxes on millionaires. i don't understand why republicans don't take obama's offer. >> a calmist at the national review wrote, as a matter of
to the voters that mitt romney did not. obviously, mitt romney had a huge deficit with african-american voters, hispanic voters and women voters, so i think these potential candidates are trying to map it out. >> david corn, when george w. bush ran, he got such a quick surge in the polls that no one was able to stop him. is jeb bush that guy this time? is he the one that if he makes it clear he's running, others will decide not to? >> you know, i still wonder if two words come to mind. too soon. i mean, the george w. bush presidency is still not held in high esteem amongst many voters who still blame bush for the economic downturn at the end of his administration that has carried us to this day. jeb bush has the ability to talk to hispanic, more moderate, but i also wonder if you know, people will be a little tired of the bush dynasty come to 2016. >> well, they're too tired of it now, but 2016 is a few years away. thank you both for joining me tonight. >>> coming up, good news for democrats trying to keep control of the senate in 2014 and one republican whose strategy for dealing with latino
a deficit thattic vides a trillion -- that exceeds a trillion dollars. i don't think any republicans will say what the hell let's just raise taxes because barack obama says so. neil: they are running with tails between leg. >> look at the electeds. >> look, bottom line, i don't like pledges of any kind, you have to be pragmatic in washington both sides, democrats should not make pledges either, they need to come to the table. neil: you don't have to worry, they will not. what is going on on the whole tax thing, and whole norquist thing? main were saying that -- today saying, that this is really about the imploying of grover norquist, he took afence to that in my interview earlier, but that is what is going on, probably more more than that, what do you say? >> first, i ca i have to addrest julie said, almost someone who lives inside of beltway could say that a pledge does not matter, this is a promise, they said while they serve in congress, not a short-term team, they made a promise, where i come from thee, the rest of america, separate from washington d.c., a pledge is a pledge, a p
and your party come to this debate with big deficit because you and president bush and dick cheney lied this country into war and you had a lot of lies on foreign policy about wmds. president bush even said once in may 2003 that we found the wmds in iraq. dick cheney and condoleezza rice talked about links to al qaeda in iraq. you've never made up for those huge, serious, significant lies in the arena of foreign policy. and now you're picking apart, you know, basically the very early and ultimately not misleading with regard to foreign policy decisions, statements that this diplomat made. >> one thing we're learning right now the meeting with ambassador rice and senator corker is happening as we speak so a little earlier than that noontime appointment. but the one thing we heard also from senator barrasso in the last hour was john considerry's name floated out and it would be easier for him to sail through. you had the opportunity to work with john kerry before. >> sure. >> when we hear about this, is that really what the game, as joy-ann said, this machiavellian game, basically let's g
is that although it's running a primary deficit, actual servicing makes if worse. so one thing you can do is take away some of the debt burden to enable them to try to get the economy back into some sort of primary surface situation. but imagine we have a baby crawling across the floor and it keeps crawling away from us. we're picking up up the baby and bringing it back closer to us, but it's still crawling. so as soon as you put it down, it's heads off back where it came from. so the real problem with greece, they say the good news is we'll stay in the euro. really? the problem for greece is that greece in the euro appears to be uncompetitive. you either come out of the euro, and you have big significant drop in the value of your currency so everything that you do, no one would seem there is much change in import costs, but suddenly everything in greece is more than competitive. but if you stay, instead of the currency dropping 0%, every person's salary has dropped 30%. so this gets much, much harder. >> it's clear the internal devaluation is much more difficult, but also that it has been happen
conversation for republicans in this era. one is deficit is the biggest problem. here we are with the cliff, the curve, whatever you want to call it and what do we find out? even republicans are warning they don't want to go over the cliff because guess what? just cutting the deficit without any regard to the rest of our priorities is a bad idea. it happens to be the heart of republican economic policy and the other thing about never raising taxes, guess what? we don't have the gdp to seniors ratio than we did 20 years ago, so if we're going to be serious about an ageing population, it means you can't stick to these fa fantasies. >> i remember two years ago on the show, introducing him to the audience and explaining he's the most powerful republican in government and i had to do this long thing on who he is. and now, here he is in the center of this debate. let's listen to what the republicans are up against in the negotiations with the white house. jay carney indicated today what the president's stance is on income tax rates. >> i would say also that the president has made clear that he wi
. >> dana: all right. >> eric: obama have to advertise he promised to -- [ laughter ] -- cut the deficit in half? >> dana: where will it end? >> kimberly: we want an apology. >> dana: super pac ad with apology. >> kimberly: deliberately dezeed the american people. >> bob: that is not true. >> dana: we'll ponder that. coming up, 5 a 50 million reasons you might not want to win tonight's powerball jackpot. brian has all of those next on "the five." ♪ ♪ >>> i'm bret baier in washington. the big story here today is a new develop in the president obama's evident to get off the fiscal cliff. tonight on "special report," the president may be trying to divide budget negotiations in two pieces, insisting on tax increases for high earners this year with a promise to cut spending next year. some critics call it wimpy from popaye strategy, gladly paying you tuesday for a hamburger today. house speaker john boehner insists the republicans are willing to work with the mt. offering the tax revenues if significant spending cuts are part of the deal. is social security on table? should it be? we hear
to be borrow and added to the deficit every year. naturally is part of the deficit-reduction discussions. the group supporting the attack site include state highway officials, road builders, trucking associations, the simpson-bowles planner it proposed raising the tax as well. there's another tax in the fiscal cliff and possible gas tax is not the only tax to hit the bottom line. deal or no deal, hold on to your wallet. here with more, the senior tax policy analyst for the heritage foundation. always nice to have you on the show. let's talk abouthe bottom line for so many people out there, it will hit so many folks, 90% of households, almost impossible to escape and create that. >> everyone's taxes will go up on january 1st. important to point out we're talking about today which is raising taxes. that is off point. the fiscal cliff is here because we're spending tooomuch. we are the precedents of the debt crisis beuse we're spending too much. how we can raise taxes and talk about raising the gas tax, nothing to do with cutting spending which i where we should be directing our attention.
deal. that is where the deficit is. it is in at $800 billion stimulus. you are looking for where the deficit comes from some saves medicare and social security. it is that need hundred billion dollars that became permanent. >> absolutely. it did. here is the shocking thing about washington. every year the politicians try out these things like tom coburn trots out his waist book every year. hundreds of billions of dollars in identified waste, waste, fraud, duplicated services and every year they get on the camera and say this is terrible and horrible we need to do some good about it and they never do anything about it and folks like john boehner who doesn't even talk about eliminating fraud and waste and duplicated services. dave: the onus is on you and the other tea party years all over the country. where is that 2,010 tea party coalition? how can it be reenergize? how can it be put into effect again? >> you will see it in 2013. what is going to happen the republicans in the house of representatives are going to cave on taxes and spending and when that happens you will see that a
. in other words, instead of a cliff, that you reduce the deficit over time in a much more orderly fashion. >> with a plan, though. >> with a plan. exactly. bowles simpson was a plan. >> bowles simpson is so far gone at this point. >> but when you look at those, they all have some come by neigh of spending cuts and tax increases. the idea is that over a period of time, you basically put the country in a better path, the government in a better path to spending and taxation. what you don't want is the fiscal cliff because that was designed to be something that nobody liked. and the reason is, yes, you've reduced the deficit from about 7% of gdp down to about 4% of gdp, so you move in the right direction really dramatically, but you do it in a way that nobody was happy with exactly where those cuts come from and exactly how the taxes increase. >> with what you're seeing, and we never know, it's almost like a mating dance where you've got the male and a feel of some species -- >> it's an ugly one. >> looks like they're never going to do it. they get closer and closer. >> but there is a lot of
years. that's significant deficit reduction and you don't have to get into all this michigas as my grandma would say about which loopholes you're going to close. when you go that route you run into the same math problem mitt romney had. there's typically not enough revenue to make up for if the upper -- >> i have seen you do the experiment with the glass and it's wonderful. most americans think washington officials will behave like spoiled children, and warren buffett took the gop to school today, quote, let's forget about the rich and ultra rich going on strike and stuffing their ample funds under their mattresses if, gasp, capital gains rates and ordinary income rates are increased. the ultra rich, including me, says mr. buffett, will forever pursue investment opportunities. so he's calling for a minimum tax on millionaires and billionaires. will republicans listen? >> well, it's a sensible way. if we're going to have a deal, we will have to see some kind of compromise. a minimum tax on people making over $1 million a year can generate a half it trillion in a ten-year scale. if y
to solve our fiscal problems. the deficit will essentially go away. the bad side we're in a deep recession and the deficit will go away. this is an economy that can't afford to have 4% of our spending disappear just next year. we'll see a recession next year almost for sure and for certain. so that's the sense in which i think this is something to worry about. we want -- the recovery is faltering right now and we really don't need congress clubbing it over the head again, pushing us back down yet again. >> yet again. justin, thank you, sir, from the university of michigan. great to have you. >> thanks, alex. >> catch one of the key players in the fiscal cliff negotiations right here on "now" when senator patty murray joins us tomorrow at noon eastern. >>> and coming up after their romney nominee received just over a quarter of the latino vote republicans say they're ready to put up when it comes to comprehensive immigration reform. what are they doing about it? so far putting up a lot of window dressing. the display when telemundo's jose diaz-balart joins us ahead. want to try to crack it?
it will be a modest reduction in the rate of increase in spending such the we will have a $1 trillion plus deficit next year. more of the same. lou: as always. >> thank you. lou: up next to illegal immigrants wants new privileges because, i hate to tell you, it looks like pandering is contagious. imagine that. and forget susan rice. not the plot -- the biggest problem with this administration we will demonstrate to you the gaping holes in the benghazi time line and some extraordinary coincidences in the patraeus time line in the "chalk talk"e e next. fotheir annual football trip. that's double miles you can actually use. tragically, their ddy t sacked by blackouts. but it our tradition! that's roughg the card holder. but with the capital one venture card you get double miles you can actually use. [ cheering ] any flight, anytime. the scoreboard doesn't lie. what's in your wallet? hut! i have me on my fantasy team. now we need a little bit more... [ male announcer ] at humana, we understand the value of quality time and personaattention. which is why we are proud to partner with health care profess
except social security. the president argues that social security is not driving the deficit problem. it has solvency issues of its own but the president wants those dealt with downstream, sometime next year and on a separate track. now congressional republicans, especially those eager-- or at least willing-- to raise tax revenue want social security, medicare and medicaid as part of the fiscal cliff negotiations. if that's the price tag of a grand bargain, the white house says at least where social security is concerned it's not going to buy. scott? >> pelley: major, thanks very much. it appears the new president of egypt may be backing away from the biggest crisis there since the revolution. there have been four days of protests after president mohammed morsi seized near absolute powers saying that his decisions cannot be overturned by the courts. well, tonight we're hearing that talks between morsi and the supreme court continue with an eye toward compromise. it's a developing story and holly williams is in cairo tonight. >> reporter: in cairo today, they buried a young man who di
people really care that much about the deficit. they certainly didn't vote as if they did. when it comes to these entitlement programs, no matter what your party is and whether you agree with paul ryan or not, he did put bold initiatives to try to bring these costs down and people rejected it. i thk we took a step back in the last election in terms of fixing the programs. >> having said that, a lot of people say i paid into social security and i deserve that. i don't see how medicaid can hold out. i think that's going to collapse a lot sooner than any economist we be forecast. >> there's a good reason why i agree with you. that may be the fastest entitlement program. here is the reason why. not because it's bankrupting washington, because they have been for 15 years. the reason is because it's bankrupting the state. states pay about 40% of the cost and every governor that i talk to, they say that we can't afford this anymore. it is becoming the top of our budget. i agree with you. that could be the program that we fix first. charles: predent obama is in and more people want out. tens of
, you are running a deficit for the fourth year in a row and yet you can borrow money almost for nothing. so why don't you just wait another year or two years. who wants to take the fall? who wants to take the political heat if you can borrow money for five years, which is what they are doing now. neil: we are building another debt bubble? >> yes, we are doing so. >> i don't know what you call it. we've never been there before, we've never had a central bank. we've never had anything like that. >> you don't think it can walk past the graveyard much longer? >> i don't think so. i don't think we can whistle the tune vermuch longer. >> okay. neil: if you had a lead suit you would buy it. [laughter] neil: dad, thank you so much. the president is now speaking out. that coming upnext twins. i didn't see them coming. i have obligations. cute obligations, but obligatio. i need to rethink the core of my portfolio. what i really need is sleep. introducing the ishares core, building blocks for the heart of your portfolio. find out why 9 out of 10 large professional investors choose ishares for thei
could possibly get from increasing taxes on the rich is a billion dollars. his deficit over four years is $1 trillion every single year and that is because that $800 billion stimulus which was supposed to be a 1-shot deal has become repetitive. >> what makes matters worse is the president and these people in washington, all 535 of them inside a certain institution, they don't understand that 60% of the income in the private business world comes from folks making over $200,000 all of whom run private businesses and holes that the vessel partnerships and they get taxed at their effective personal right. people don't understand how wide this is going to be. dave: above all else what bothers me is the name. economic patriotism is the name the president used. these are called patriotic -- the idea you can send a son to work, you can pay 50% of your income in taxes and if you don't agree with taxing the rich you are unpatriotic. that -- [talking over each other] >> it is belittling and pejorative, who pay money into the system, if you pay money into the system you have skin in the game. huge
to a spectrum of use. what we are telling washington, you are running a deficit for the fourth year in a row and yet you can borrow money almost for nothing. so why don't you just wait another year or two years. who wants to take the fall? who wants to take the political heat if you can borrow money for five years, which is what they are doing now. neil: we are building another debt bubble? >> yes, we are doing so. >> i don't know what you call it. we've never been there before, we've never had a central bank. we've never had anything like th. >> you don't think it can walk past the graveyard mh longer? >> i don't think so. i don't think we can whistle the tune very much longer. >> okay. neil: if you had a lead suit you would buy it. [laughter] neil: david, thank you so much. the president is now speaking out. that coming up next before copd... i took my son fishing every year. we had a great spot, not easy to find, but worth it. but with copd making it hard to breathe, i thought those days might be over. so my doctor prescribed symbicort. it helps significantly improve my lung function star
trillions of dollars in trade deficits with china. managers of the trade policy with china, democrats and republicans, i think are guilty of real political malpractice on a large scale. >> greta: what is the chinese viewpoint of what they're doing vis-a-vis north korea? >> almost any country, chinese goes back than our memory. because of the great war, many of the invasions of china have come by bypassing the great wall, along north korea. and... also, the japanese intend to conquer asiana started in korea. so china, korea is an extremely sensitive point. what i think the chinese would like best is an outcome would be a nonnuclear, peaceful, north korea. they would not want a unified korea because it would seem that the high-tech korea and yellow ribbon with modern weapons would resurrect his storeal cal threats in their minds. also for them, the korean war as the image they thought as a symbolic significance. they took on the united states when they were very weak and came out from their point of view, achieving their effectiveness. >> greta: straight ahead, it's not just iran. anoth
the state budget deficit was more than 40% of its general fund. 40 percent. the second highest of any state. s&p and moody's both give illinois the second worst credit rating in all of the 50 states. illinois is funded 45% of pension liability, the lowest percentage of any state. unemployment in illinois, very impressive as well. just under 10%. they had things well in hand in illinois. is it mentioned that is a haunted the president obama? anyway, the tenth highest unemployment rate in the country. for stub's illinois a death spiral state because for every hundred private-sector workers in illinois there are 103 depending upon those private-sector workers. new york, aiming at the sixth worst death spiral state because for every 100 private-sector jobs in new york there are 107 who depend on the private sector for their -- well, their sustenance. a per capita debt of nearly $6,700. $6,700 just for the state of new york. the six highest in the country. we have people worrying about the fiscal cliff which is worth worrying about. some of these states have gotten a massive problems. these thre
. >> well, at some point everyones says in washington we have to do something about the deficit, and here's a good place to start.str if you need to actually bring i, revenue, the best place do it is where it does the least harmt that's on tax cuts for the wealthy. that's something that's really unassailable. now, if we were in conditions when we didn't have any deficiti issues, of course, we wouldn't have any need to raise taxes on anyone one, but we have competing priorities and have to find a way to pay for them. melissa: we have a spendingwe problem, h drunken sailors, a credit car to run forever, and we just can't. >> that also has consequences.ee as everyone knows with the looming so-called fiscal cliff discussion, if you cut too muchu you also drive the economy into an abyss so, you know, we'd all like to say we cut spending and live within our means, but it's not as simple as that.ple you can also cut spending too much so that you actually hurtrt the economy you're supposed to help. melissa: so, i agree with whath you are saying, and this is too civil. i got to derail it somehow o
slowed. congressional aides say they haveve received no and buy from the white house for another deficit meeting. instead, the president is hosting small business leaders, ceos, and heading to philadelphia to sell his position on taxes. a spokesman for the house speaker says the president should be focusing on congressional democrats who republicans they refuse to offer necessary spending cuts. other republicans id democrats are simply continuing election season. >> this seems like our fend on the other side are having difficulty turning off the campaign. we need to sit down and work this matter out. >> we are all here, this administration and those who have been elected to congress, to erve the iraqi people. to suggest that we should, now that the election is over, stop talking to them about these vital issues i think is bad advice. >> republicans also planted a little campaigning themselves. house republicans we will visit local small-business is to emphasize that threat to jobs posed by congressional democrats small business tax hike. gerri: thank you for that. we will watch out for
, here's a fact. the president has on the table a proposal that reduces the deficit by $4 trillion. that is substance. so he has not waited for people to start smelling the jet fumes at national airport. he has actively put forward a plan. >> okay. welcome back to "morning joe." welcome back. christmas is coming. >> all right. >> can you believe it? >> yeah, the christmas tree. it's looking beautiful. harold ford jr. is still with us and co-founder of the no labels organization, market mckinnon, also with us, "fortune" magazine's leigh gallagher. mark, good to see you. jeff zucker. >> a struggling -- >> taking over cnn. >> looking to jz. >> jeff zucker to run the joint. >> that would be interesting. >> smart guy if see what happens. all right. well, good, good. so how is our republican party -- so mark mckinnon, it's been a very, very rough month for you as a republican. you haven't shaved since the election. >> ah. >> you're not -- >> looking very handsome. >> you're not brushing your hair. >> well. >> your scarves look a little out of touch with the rest of your outfit like this
programs. only 38% think it's going to actually reduce the deficit. so, here we've got a debt problem, some would say a crisis, and people are just not confident that we're going to address it, certainly not with new taxes. >> well, that's right. and look, skepticism about politicians is as old an as america, part of our cultural dna. in fact, i was surprised only 4% think this'll spend the money instead of using it as they promise. and one of the other things that we're seeing and i think this is really important in these discussions, if you ask people about across the board spending cuts, what everything is included, everything is on the cable. 65% say that's a good idea. but if you take something off the table and say, cut everything, but the military, support falls to 42%, so americans want to make sure that this is not something that singles out a pet project for exemption and protection. >> if people think like this about the future of health care and think like this about debt. how come they reelected president obama? how did this happen? >> well, to some degree they didn't think it'
, and want tax hikes and spending cuts to reduce the deficit. and one fourth want spending cuts only. 68%. there are the numbers on your screen. doesn't that number, 68%, mean that it's politically perilous for your party, republicans, to oppose raising taxes on the top 2 or 3%? >> well, no, they -- it's got to be part of the equation and i think that speaker boehner made that clear, but gregg, let me first start by saying i happen to care very much about the 43% inpoll, but it doesn't erase -- it doesn't erase the fact that a majority of them do not pay taxes and it also doesn't erase the fact that most people support tax increases on other people as opposed to themselves, but i think the american people are a little tired of polls. the election is over, talking points should be over, and it requires compromise to solve problems in this town, something that's been lacking for years. by both sides of the aisle. and so, the issues you're talking about in terms of the specifics, whether it's the tax rates or these deductions, it just cannot be across the board. there are unintended consequ
are the major drivers of the deficit and debt. listen, if you raise taxes as the administration wants to do now, you don't, in other words, extend the bush-era tax cuts, you raise $824 billion over ten years. now the u.s. government is funded, it takes $1.3 billion a day to fund the u.s. government. so you divide all of that, do the math, carry the knot and basically you qui get about 65 days of funding of the u.s. government just on the taxes. it doesn't get you too far on the big picture. jon: i've heard some democrats saying maybe it won't be such a bad thing to let the country go over the fiscal cliff at lowe's for a short period of time. >> reporter: that is one negotiation ploy, i think you're hearing that as well, you know, if you go past that deadline, then the new congress could come back and retroactively essentially give them -- everyone a tax cut, so those new congressmen and women, and senators will be able to say that they had a tax cut. it's all semantics here. the bottom line is what the president will bring, what house speaker john boehner will be and the closed-door negotiatio
to see them try different things. first of all, let's recognize the fact that we had the deficits right now as a result of obama's budget. that's $5.3 trillion. that's in his budget. he signed that. we have a lot of the programs that should be undone. give you an example, we had a democrat president back in the '90s, bill clinton, while we had a republican majority in the house and the senate. we did welfare reform. we put the work back into welfare and it was tremendously successful. we decreased the welfare rolls. now, obama's reversed that. now we have it's gone up, the food stamp program now gone up from 28 million families to 47 million. that's just one of the things that can be reversed, that got news this mess to start with. >> gretchen: but senator, why does it appear -- and obviously the election was a result of it -- why does it appear that president obama wins the pr campaign on this entire discussion? >> well, gretchen, i represent oklahoma. he hasn't won up there. >> gretchen: but he's winning it acrossment country. >> well, i know, he's a very persuasive person. that doesn
penny to the deficit. we should put together something like a simpson/bowles commission. right now it's going to last for another 22 years untouched, but let's make sure it's stronger, longer. but when it comes to the other entitlement programs, medicare and medicaid, we've got to make certain that we preserve these basic programs, not to go the route of the paul ryan voucherizing, leaving senioring vulnerable for health insurance they cannot find or cannot afford. but make sure we change the program to save the money, reduce the increase in health care costs. medicaid is the one i'll add, joe, that concerns me the most. it has the least politically articulate constituency. these are the poorest people in america. we've got to make sure at the end of the day, we protect the children, mothers with babies, and particularly the frail elderly being covered by medicaid. we can make changes there and preserve the basic integrity of these programs. >> well, of course, people in medicaid don't have the aarp fighting for them day in and day out, running 30-second ads. isn't that one of the gre
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